Your views and experiences

Orchid,
I, too, do not idenify with the sense of entitlement you speak of and others label us with at times. I missed that.
dancer9

Celtic, since Princess mentioned it, when the state hired a psychiatrist to hypnotise me, the Dr. ended up giving me a post hypnotic suggestion to stop trying to remember the murder. He told them it was too dangerous for me...
I must say that that suggestion stuck.

I also wanted to share with you that when I was hypnotised, I was aware, meaning, I was not "out cold..." I was left with some memory of the session and did not feel out of control of myself at any time.

The person hypnotising you MUST be accredited and as Princess Lenora says, you have to have a talk therapist as well for whatever comes up. It should not be entered lightly, but, there is a way you can learn to hypnotize yourself...
dancer

Isn't self hypnosis sort of like the shoplifter running the security office?

is "self hypnosis" another oxymoron?

LOL, No, really! There is a technique they can teach you to "put yourself in a trance," and while there you can reach things you cannot while in a normal state! It's a deeper form of meditation! When you are hypnotised it is not a state of being totally "out." You can remember some of it and you can hear yourself answer. Contrary to some beliefs, when hypnotised one IS aware and CAN hear themselves answer questions. It is not the powerless feeling some people feel it is!
I was under and I still remember some of it, I could have remembered all of it but I chose not to because it seemed of no importance. It was a good experience, even if I was under to regain memories of a murder I witnessed. The doctor took time to do some healing suggestions that stuck!
dancer, oxymoron.

LOL, again! Some people like the tool to use themselves so they can reach deeper into their memory. Some like the control to be in their own hands and enjoy the 'trip." It works! It really does! You then take your experience to the "talk doc," and talk about what you discovered while "under!"
Therapists teach the technique and many know this method!

Now stop laughing at me!

Lol,
dancer

i agree with all dancer said, hypnosis it is the "client" that has the control as if anything untoward happend or was "suggested" like go rob that bank for me, the client would wake up or the pat of the brain that remaines fullie alert would reject the suggestion providing it was not in your nature to robb banks lol.
Post hypnotick suggestions can and do work, and make for a better return to normal concisness after the session is over.

PRINCESS important point you bvrought up , if indeed the indivduel is not readie to see or rember an event from life, ie couldn't handle knowing in normal concisness the mind would not, would not give it up anyway, it just wouldn't rember or again one would be so startled the part of the mind that defends us from such unwanted material would just find some way to wake up, say nuthing just bring back a blank responces. if its not safe the mind will not disclose regardless of what the hypnotheripist dose.

Like normal states of councisness if one trulie wouldn't cope then the memorie would not surfices at all.

begs the question then why bother at all?
In normal concise state a memorie could be readie to be relised but waites on a type of trigger in order to relise it, ie a similare looking person or event happening. In hypnotheripie one supplies that trigger on behalf of the client so IF memorie is readie to be relised IT WILL HAPPEN. in a safe controled environment (if one choses the theripist carefullie and DO TAKE CARE). Generallie speacking the is a cathartic experinces the remberances of the memorie with the discharging of the emotions assosiated with the memorie, if satisfactorialie discharged then one is left with maybee a mental reprisentasion of the memorie but little of the assosiated emotional responces, this in itself can be usfull. Altrnativlie it can be suggested that one place the memorie in a drawer and allow a greater degree of forgetting of the memorie to happen.
Again the client is in control and if that mind decides the suggestion is its best bet or healthiest thing then that is what will happen like dancrer experinse showed.

Talking theripies can take yrs PRINCESS, hypnotheripie can quicken (in the right instances) the overall preocess, cutting dowen time, expencess and if person is trulie near suicide then in some instances prevent the act happening.

It can be used ALONGSIDE talking theripies or INSTEAD of talking theripies. Diffrent mental focuses or circumstances or personalities decide what trulie is the best approach for the individuel, no single formula of how to can be applied to all people.

Obviouslie to be able to use my "clinical hypnotheripist" title or hynoanalist i had to go through an intensive part of my learning having extensive hypnotheripie sessions. i also had tradisional talking theripies, my experinces was something onlie got cleared up with hypnotheripie as i was getting no weer with talking theripies and also the reverse was true. One healing component necassarie for me was that i feel and somehow discharge emotion stuck with certine events , for me this was onlie achived via hypnotheripie, as i verie controled with my feelings lol so the relaxed hypnoteripie state allowed me access and dishcharge of those teripies that just wouldn't happen while in normale conciss state.
#phewwww a long one ther eh!hope i explained it well enough without falling into the jargone trapp , hope so anyway.

Celtic does a beautiful job of making sense here! I would say a few things to back her up. I also have vast experience in the world of therapy, again, some of the best:
- the memory will not come up unless the mind is ready to deal with it. Pushing a memory is DANGEROUS. It just is.
- If hypnotized, the brain will reject, out of hand, the question it is not safe to remember, for example: I had evidence in a murder trial that was very important besides what I had already given them. When hypnotized, my mind would NOT give it up because I had been "programed," that I would be killed if I told. I did not tell. This is why the doctor gave a hypnotic suggestion for me not to try to remember anymore. ( Much to the D.A.'s irritation!) You know what's happening when you are hypnotised.
-Never push yourself to remember except in a clinical setting where you will be safe 24/7. Some memories are dangerous. At the risk of upsetting some people on the forum, it goes like this:
If you were told that if you told anyone what happened, you wwould be hurt or killed, you may, after being forced to remember, attempt to hurt yourself after remembering. You MUST be protected if there is any possibility of this sort of thing happening. I speak from experience.

Please be careful when retrieving memories. I can't tell you how helpful it is to do so, but do so in a safe way, in acontroled way, and have a couple emergency numbers to call if you at ALL are in a dangerous state of mind!

dancer9

GINSTER
we have Baptists in Belfast and they as well as other fundimental christion groups hold the same attitude towards hypnotheripie and even plain old meditasion. i not too sure wear or what the conection is exactlie, or how one concludes that its the work of the devel or indeed makes one vulrible to the workings of the devel.

the best or nearest i got( in terms of explinasion) was that a deeplie relaxed medititve state would allow one to be influenced by external forces or energies. It would be assomed that it be the devel or some other type negative energie.

In all my experinces and findings, it is onlie MEDIAMS that are influenced while in a deeplie relaxed state. hences facilitating the communicasion between spirite bodies and earthlie canted bodies, which is the process by which mediams use for such spirite commonicasion. Onces again it is the mind and will of the medium that decides what they are gonna say while in the "comminicative readie state" in all respects the mediams have control and responcibilitie for what they say or do.

normalie joe's and josephines (lol) don't pick up commonicasion from spirite anyway no matter HOW DEEPLIE relaxed they are.

So in this respects the church is partalie right, one can be influenced to say somthing but not so far as to do something IF THEY ARE ALREADIE A MEDIUM OR HOLD MEDIUM TYPE GIFTS. Normale non mediums are unaware of any external type of energie around them anyway.

so church is partulie right in that respect. The baptists forbid any type of spirite communcasion (if i rember rightlie)BUT more importantlie they assome ALL SUCH comminicasion is negative in its nature, not true this is a biase and one desined to scare people away from meditasion and such types of healing or trying to keep people safe from such types of energies. You decide.

THE CAPS are not shouting i trying to emphasis a point , i promise, You all know the trouble i have with commonicasion and spelling and wouldn't i reallie am trying my hardest to put this across acuritlie to all, Baptists and non Baptist, belivers in this point and no-belivers of this spirite=devils communicasion point of view.

Maybee someone else from within such a belife system would like to give their view point on this matter.
GIMSTER thats the best and as fullie as i know how to explaine it and provide my experinces of such things.
Unless you are a medium and with such gifts/talents you wouldn't be affected.

oh for manie yrs i did work as a spiritualist medium and was born with this abilitie, not tought it. Out of all the hundred times i been hypnotised ONLIE ONE TIME did i have spirite commonicasion, that was with my mum lol. For all her failings she certinlie not the devile, i promises lol.

The rest of the time i was left alone to do my healing work on myself. Do you belive in gardianes? maybee gardiane angels? i do and belive in ANY POTENCIAL vulrible state one is protected by powerfull postive loving forces, maybee even devine forces. Now what is stronger than that type of forces or energie, nuthing in mu book.

good luck gimster, i had to do a lot of deprogramming on myself too, its hard but worth it, we get to live freelie in the end without biase or manie restrants. I still got some ways to go before i am finished.

Celtic,
Your spirituality is inspiring. I've much myself. We should write some day!
I respect your open mind and life.
dancer

My husband says I've had so many office hours IN therapy that I qualify as a therapist. Funny. Anyway, Celtic, yes, I know talk therapy takes years. I had tons of therapy in my teens, twenties, and thirties. It was not until I was 43 and NOT in therapy that my mind remembered the trauma. At the time, I was not working, my husband was working 15 hour days, I was in a new town, I knew nobody, so I started sketching, which was a new art expression for me. I was in a creative zone. While sketching, my hand wrote the memory "........." I was shocked. My hand wrote words I was not even thinking. It was as if I was hypnotized by the sketching to remember when all my defenses were down. That was a life changing turning point. Of course, the memory was so traumatic I subsequently went to therapy, yet again. The memory explained why I had been in pain my whole life. Anyway, the therapist I found at the time incorporated spiritual aspects into the sessions, which helped me grown. Yes, Celtic, I believe in guardians, and I've felt the nearness...You mentioned your mother. Celtic, you are a deep and thoughtful being! L, PL

I wish you were here, celtic, to help me find and use a therapist. You made me feel willing to, despite the deeply instilled beliefs. You explained the religious thinking against meditation/hypnosis/messing with the spirit world very succinctly. I couldn't have done better myself - and I've lived it.
Princess, the more I hear of your life, the more I wish I could take it back from you. But, then you wouldn't be the person you are for us. You couldn't be any wonderful, tho. BTW, what is a psycho analyst? Where do they fall in the therapy lot?

And, how does one choose a hypnotist?

Princess and Celtic,
There is a trick to use with your hands to help you remember things you have forgotten. I was taught it at the program at S. Tucson.
If you write a question with your right hand, ( or left hand if you are left handed,) and switch the pencil over to the other hand, your subconscious will answer the question if you sit there and wait for the pen to move on the paper! It works like MAGIC for some people! If the memory is bad, it's recommended that you use a red marker or pen and a large piece of paper because, after all, you are answering your own question with the hand you normally don't write with! It can work. It worked for me wonderfully and it worked for many patients there.

There are other tricks to help you get in touch with your subconscious. If you need help with something, just ask! I've twelve years of therapy and I "graduated!" I was told that I dont' need therapy by more than one psychiatrist, unless something horrid happened and I lost my balance.

dancer9

I've done this method of journaling. When I was in a support group for women with cancer, we used this technique. Ask a question with your dominant hand, answer with your other hand. It's best to prep with quiet time, getting yourself comfortable with music, candles, etc. This is a great way to get in touch with yourself. Gims, you might try this technique, prior to or when in therapy. And take back my life? Thank you for the thought. There are others with way worse experiences. Hmm, that's one reason why I did not seek help, because I did not want to take time away from others (who I did not even know, just "others") who needed more than I. I suspect your psyche wants to heal, thus you are inquiring. Your soul, spirit, wants to be whole. Gims, if you want to PM me, maybe I can help you find a therapist. If you want to try it yourself, I would google "therapist" "counselors" "psychoanalysts" in your area. You will get web sites which will explain the "philosophy" of the therapist, and what methods they use. Methods might be what they are specifically trained in, such as cognitive/behavioral therapy, Jungian therapy, Freudian. You can even call these therapists and interview them, to get a feel for a possiblity of rapport with them. As for psychoanalyst, it is just another training. Some of these terms are interchangable. You might even find if the therapist is certified and licensed as a hypnotherapist. However, you should know that no therapist who is truly ethical will perform hypnotherapy on a first or second session. Would you believe that I was refused hypnotherapy? A Great therapist who did not think it was the best way to get in touch. She did recommend some methods, which I was not ready for at the time, but a couple of years later, with another therapist, what the 1st therapist had said came about. Also, my brother, who can't remember his childhood at all, asked for hypnotherapy, and he was refused, too. I have found therapists for others by a google search and a thorough investigation, others who have contacted me through my site after reading my book. Not that the book drives them to need therapy! Just the opposite, it shows people the benefits of therapy. Here's how I found my last therapist, 10 years ago, when I started fully remembering the traumatic events (while sketching!) I had been attending a Unity church. I called the minister if there was a list of therapists affiliated with the church who incorporated spirituality into the counseling process. And I specified female. And I found one who could not have been any better for me at that time. She did not preach, she just helped me to see my situations from all perspectives. How's that for the opposite of "the work of the devil?" Go forth and heal, my dear friend. You will find your own true self, and it will be good. L, PL

DANCER my pm is always open, if you can keep up with my typo's and spelling i am happie to chat with you about most things.

the same for nearlie all the other woman. I am not that good at being chattie but i try my hardest at writting regulary.

GIMSTER I certinlie help you anyway i could. At this point i echo what princess said about ensurring they are reputable even interviewing for a theripist, rember take as much care of the qualitie's and creditnsiols of those that treat your mind/emotions as you would for someone treating your bodie.

Princess L gotta a lot of experinces professionalie and in her owen life with theripists and she familure with the USA requirments to tranning and perhapps belonging to recognised and respoected proffesional bodies/memberships.

I know the requirments over heer but wouldn't know of the standared and what to be looking for in the usa. Take heed of the tranning etc. but also if you talk via phone or meet in person pay attention to what your gut or instincts are saying about the theripist. I would trust both and don't be blowen over by just the amount of qualificasions, view it all as a pakage. Its about the generalist but reliable bit of advice i give to anyone in this situasion.

good luck with your healing and your serarch for someone to aid you in this process.

Celtic,
It is just that not often does my lifes work come into play. What I do is very rare and requires a very strange set of skills! Let's face it, I don't have a lot of work experience to share with others that is like theirs! Most watch dance but do not think of it as a job. I think it is very kind when someone is interested in dance because, well, it's what I have done with my life, amoung other things, and dance needs it. Dance needs people to support it and care about it. Dance is largely an art that people don't think about, even if we are on MTV doing a video, no one really thinks about that dancer on the video!

I'm used to it, dear Celtic, it's fine! I can talk to my fellow performers about it if I must and my husband and family. My friends as well, know much about dance from knowing me and coming with me to rehearsals and such.
Thank you for offering to talk and I'll remember that.
Your posts are great, Celtic, I like them a lot.
dancer9

Princess lynne what a great example of how when the minds readie , reallie readie then bits of info pop up in our lifes when the minds readie and the situasions their, i get the silliest but usfull bits of insight or relativlie important bits of info when i doing the dishes. Nuthing earth shatterring theas days all thats stuffs been uncovered and worked throgh , thank goodness, well at lest i hope so lol i fairlie sure anyway.
The two points in common between your drawing and my dishes, the minds occupied or not almost idealing along leaving a quiter moment for the subconcise to depart stuff of relavinces in our concisness.

Wasent DANCER talking about self-hypnosis, inputting healthie positive informasion. Meditasion is creating one such situasion wear informasion from subconcise can become concise, in certine types of mediatasion. Other types is focusing from within a relaxed state on one portion or situasion in life, in some ways meditasion has been explained as "to think deeplie " about a certine things. Two diffrent types in nature one empties the mind and gives chances for informasion to appear the other focussing on a certine topic both usfull in their owen way.

I PRAY which i think is talking to god, randomlie or about a particulare thing then i let my mind wander, which is like listening for an answere. Thats the basic requirments between any type of concersasion or communicasion talking and listening. it works for me.

dancer thanks for the wee exercises your giving as examples, its good weather the woman in this conversasion know about them or not as someone may read them and get a good experinces from them.

Celtic,
You're so right about using the time your mind is wandering for positive thoughts! It's sort of like those self help tapes some play for themselves to think positively. If you let your mind wander and think positive thoughts you will have positive experiences follow.
Energy follows thought.
It's important to let the mind have positive suggestions even if you do it yourself like it seems you do, Celtic! Thats so great! It is a bit like self hypnosis to picture positive outcomes and positive happenings you'd like. You can give yourself suggestions and they stay with you like little kind messangers!
I know it sounds silly but it works for me. I won't let my mind wander to the negative and I meditate and "listen," to my thoughts and make sure they are positive, looking for the positive in any situation that may arise.

I use music too. Music is powerful and if you use music that makes you feel good, or powerful, or beautiful, or energetic, it helps you in life. Music is what I've lived my life to and it affects me deeply. Putting on a piece of music each day that makes you feel good is a good practice to get into. If you do that, you will feel better physically and mentally. I try to teach that to my students. I try to tell them to play themselves a song everyday no matter what else they do. They can move to it or not, depending how they feel and to include that song title in their journal if they keep one. "Today I played, ________ works very well in helping me tap their creativity.

The hardest thing to get students to do, or adults in the theater is to let go and become their characters. It helps me if I get them to let go to their favorite music every day.

It can work against you as well if you are subjected to music that upsets you.

Industrial Psychologists have known this for years. They choose music to play for workers that they know will get the maximum work from them and the best concentration. Stores hire them to do this and businesses, factories, etc..

Secret weapons!

Dancer

DANCER i rember princess l has a good grounded strong spiritualitie in practices and experinces and in past she encouraged me to write publicalie and openlie about it in thse forums, stuff i just getting comphortable doing.
she also be a good woman to talk with, she always approachfull and always helpfull. just a wee thought for you if your intrested in this type of stuff.

Celtic, thank you so much for what you have to say about me in post #142241. You & I, Celtic, we are kindred spirits. I love you my friend! L, PL