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#184664 - 06/19/09 09:34 PM Re: What would you have said? [Re: ]
chatty lady Offline
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Good for you Dee! He got just what he deserved.
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#184669 - 06/19/09 10:07 PM Re: What would you have said? [Re: ]
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Ellemm, Edelweiss, Anne327. Prejudice is all over the world and comes in many forms and faces. The one that affects me the most is where I'm living and thus the reason for my question. I'm sorry for those who have to hear ignorance pour forth from someone's mouth cencerning race, religion, etc. I feel more sorry for the person who says it because they miss out on so many wonderful chances to get to know another wonderful human being.

Standing up for one's beliefs can make enemies...I think I've, very unintentionally, just made one with JJ. I tried reaching out to her in a PM and she won't talk to me and has ended the conversation. All I can say is that it was not my intention to hurt her or to insult her. None of it was ever meant for or directed to her personally.

As for this man who came over yesterday with her surveyers...he isn't going to build a house on the property...(thank the Lord)...He's stripping the land and planting a pine tree farm. It will take, I'm assuming, years for the trees to get to cutting size.

Edelweiss..I do remember an incident that happened when I lived in Delkenheim...I lived in a duplex and one night my neighbor's home was robbed...I didn't find out until the next morning when it had been discovered and the Politzi arrived at my door asking questions. Later that day a German neighbor came over and talked to me about it...his response was that the neighborhood believed "Turks" had done it. It turned out to be a couple of German guys.

I understand also about your son's feelings. In my lifetime I've dated two very nice black men...one in Germany and one in Gulfport Mississippi. We got the looks, too, but we just ignored them. Anthony's mother was white, his father black and he always leaned towards white women...I just saw a man.
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#184670 - 06/19/09 10:09 PM Re: What would you have said? [Re: Dee]
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Chatty!!! Hey girl!!!! The truth is I HATE situations like this one...but, I feel if I don't say something then it is giving permission for that person to continue saying something that cuts to my heart. Thanks for your support and for seeing what I was trying to say.
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#184671 - 06/19/09 10:11 PM Re: What would you have said? [Re: Dee]
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ANNO...didn't mean to leave you out!!! What did you do when you were called white trash? My gosh...that was awful.
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#184695 - 06/20/09 12:19 AM Re: What would you have said? [Re: Dee]
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On interracial unions/marriages (free from coersion), it's not that commonplace as we would like to think. Only 3%, based on 2001 Canadian census.

I doubt the U.S. % is much higher, if that. After all, there are huge swaths, in the U.S. where there wouldn't be a huge perpondance (meaning hundreds of thousands that would make a critical mass) of those of Afro, Asian, East Indian descent, etc.

http://www.boomerwomenspeak.com/forums/u...true#Post149292

As for the name-calling regardless of who said to what, pretty low and ..in the end, petty but loaded with much bigger issues of behind such mockery/put-downs.

As someone who is visibly non-white, but university educated and tasted middle class life after struggling upward from childhood poverty with immigrant parents...i have to say that I should expect some misunderstanding/eggs flung from some segment of society. I would be viewed by some segments as a: banana (yellow on outside, white on the inside), sell-out (but I couldn't have been after being involved in a community group activist organization on human rights, immigration, race relations), conformist (if you looked at my job resume), etc.

For JJ: You know I'm part of that Asian group that has restaurants usually with crappy washrooms, many of them speaking loud shouting Chinese when you get a bunch together, etc...but I hope that still someone will see through we're (Chinese-Canadians) not all like that.

Just as Dee and Ellenm have tried to say so about you and your neighbourhood of long ago.
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#184696 - 06/20/09 12:30 AM Re: What would you have said? [Re: ]
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good dee for standing true to your prinsiabples especalie weer it would be easier to say nuthing, well maybee easier on the outside but then thir consionse to live with. I do the same, even if i know i hitting my head off a rock i do it anyway becouse i only think i hitting it agenst a rock i can't say for sure. Saying that i don't get into political or intilectual debate just a simple plz no more of that in my presense is enough usule for me, if thirs dialoge after that then thats fine too.

two days ago we had 100 romanian sleeping in a church, next day 25 more families evacuated. only a few years before that it was chinise and japenise people being clensed out the area.

Any large numbers of non ni whites heer get burned out, any large numbers of non protestants get burned out which leaves a large white non anything but normale ni people in this area. Sickening as it is not every person in that area thinks the way the ones clensing do. It dose't do anyone any good but just i pointing out they don't always think the same way, it happens anyway, regardless.

pheww and i had a hard time chatting in heer a bit of time ago becouse i was finding it hard to relate with the wprld you seemed to be in and the one i was witnessing with my eyes that was diff from what was reported.

JAW JAW good you spook up, dee did say not all, and all other stuff that said not them all etc. I been in a same position as you also and needed "but we aint all like that" to be said a bit more or a bit louder at times. I need more time to organise my thoughts around this but i know i identify with this, diffrent subject matter but same underlying feeling. Maybee we all do whenever we feel our people are being attacked or even slighted when we know some may be like that but not all.

BOTH dee and jj could both be right and its proper we hear both voises in this chat.

sadlie jj were the racist southerneers do still hold racist ideas it may take longer for those ideas to subside as it ONCE was such a big part of country and way of life. Like p[olitiks stop outright religious descriminason heer BUT unsutale or grop mentalitie still pravales.

Hope ya keep talking out dee, its allways needed unless ya get directlie physicalie hurt or put in danger becouse of it.
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#184723 - 06/20/09 10:54 AM Re: What would you have said? [Re: celtic_flame]
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Dee, you did the right thing. And to answer your question, I also would have spoken up. Otherwise, people will remain ignorant. More than likely, your comment won't change him, but you did your part to help him see another perspective.

Unfortunately, prejudicy is sometimes all one knows. It's what they've been taught from generation to generation, and how sad is that?

My niece recently moved to a small town in the south and took a job at a food store/deli. She witnessed employees not waiting on African Americans and talking down to them. She called them on it and guess who no longer has a job? They cut her hours to the point that she quit. She tried to make a difference and lost. I was shocked that this behavior still takes place.

I live in MD and trust me, there are lots of prejudice people here too.

My daughter is Asian and many of her friends are African American. I have a niece who is married to an African American. So this topic is near and dear to my heart.

I have a friend whose son is also Asian and when he was in high school in the early 90s there was a lot of division among race. Some of his African American friends said he belonged with them, not the white people. All of this sickens me. Why did he have to choose who he hung out with by the color of their skin? He was adopted by caucasion folks so how do you think that made him feel?

It's all very sad, but like Dee, when we witness this, we have to speak up.
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#184772 - 06/20/09 08:49 PM Re: What would you have said? [Re: ]
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Thats another thing about Vegas, there is little if any prejudice here. All races work next to one another in Casinos and live and shop next to one another. Its a mish-mash of all types together so I hear and see very little racism here..
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#184777 - 06/20/09 09:30 PM Re: What would you have said? [Re: Dotsie]
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Loc: British Columbia, Canada
Originally Posted By: Dotsie
My niece recently moved to a small town in the south and took a job at a food store/deli. She witnessed employees not waiting on African Americans and talking down to them. She called them on it and guess who no longer has a job? They cut her hours to the point that she quit. She tried to make a difference and lost. I was shocked that this behavior still takes place.

I live in MD and trust me, there are lots of prejudice people here too.


Hopefully for your niece this incident will help her see the need to "walk your talk"..in her future jobs. Rather than just give up. There are other personal actions a person can take where they can make a difference. And I don't mean just speaking up...
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#184813 - 06/21/09 07:44 AM Re: What would you have said? [Re: ]
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Registered: 06/15/09
Posts: 238
Loc: Mississippi
Dee- I think it's very admirable that you were polite to this person and nicely told him how you feel about that language. I think that word is horrible! We are trying to teach Laine (our five-year-old sweet daughter) that people are people--no color label is needed. Living in the Mississippi Delta, that belief is not always reciprocated, but at least we'll teach her the correct way. On "Extreme Makeover - Home Edition" one time, they had a family who had adopted two children. They were both from different areas of the world, but something they did to show others they are alike was to turn their hands palm up and put them all together. They told Ty on the show that they were all the same. It was very sweet and very true. Color is just a color.

I'm proud of your actions, Dee!
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