I will never understand though why when THEY do it to us, it is okay and WE shouldn't complain, God forbid, yet if we even appear to be out of line towards them, even say the wrong thing, OH BROTHER the whining is deafening.

RUDE doesn't come in colors, RUDE IS RUDE!!!!

Chatty...you're right....rude is rude and rude doesn't come in colors.

No worries, Anne...she is 8.

Ellman and madaline

rude is just rude regardless of race but as to why ellman said women's race is within the flow of thread....
re-read gimms comment and in content of others in conversations she putting in another example of some people perceptions that some blacks are feeling empowered to point of strange behaviours. Would this women have been that rude before, who knows.....

i wouldn't be so hasty to class gims as racist....re-read that two pages before her comment and whom she answers in conversation then perhaps you change your mind perhaps not. Just a different though as i reading last lot of 6 pages all at once and sometimes its easier to see flow of a thread..

were is gims anyway?

Add Scots to that chinis germane list as well....but maybe no so cool or distant, how about friendly but still stoic, straight to point in directness....well nearly the same.


As for your mum i love inter cultural communication and studies of cultures. This might be were its at for going forward and clearing up the mess we make of stuff when we perceive some one as x when their doing what normal in their culture.

look at perceived normal standing positions close or not what normal. Indian cultures intonation at end of sentence going downwards so heer thought as "couldn't care less and rude in giving of a service" nope just cultural.

we gotta learn more then shrug our shoulders and go "well that hows it done here" travels good for showing oddities in own culture and in other culture too...especially funny in own culture as were else but in a forine land do we get to see how strange our culture realism is...

the polish and romaniens are latest of eurepeons to enter contry in a big way so they can be indentified as a particulare group.


at start of this post i said 100 romaniens were living in a church as they were being burned out of an area in Belfast, 25 gone home rest are rehoused.

the middle class guys on bus talk the crap....the not so middle class men go burn this families out their house. theirs the difference in class but i wonder if middle class guy would try it too if he got away with it but anyway it all ends with hate in attitude and then action when feeling strong enough.,..it moves from hatred of one culture to next that arrives in country, then the latter is not so bad after all...sickening process


within NI the hatred is still for their own still most about religion...they by poll hate travellers (gypsies) most and then gays lol and we all meant to be European and being herded into that group when theirs many diffrenses in being European.

i think UK is shutting its immigration policies as tightly as usa have already done



I am leaving NI, I have had enough

"the middle class guys on bus talk the crap....the not so middle class men go burn this families out their house. theirs the difference in class but i wonder if middle class guy would try it too if he got away with it but anyway it all ends with hate in attitude and then action when feeling strong enough.,..it moves from hatred of one culture to next that arrives in country, then the latter is not so bad after all...sickening process"

Amazing that you can put your finger on it, and it is sickening.

When are you moving and what will happen to the support L is receiving now? Can it be picked up with your next move?

Class effects as much as race sometimes.

My housing complex has 125 families. Middle to upper-middle class. I'm guessing 5 black families, 7-10 Korean, some Mexican and the rest Caucasian. The adjacent housing tract has a bunch of Chinese and Indian, who aren't in here.

I was speaking to an African American neighbor who said he wouldn't move into a mostly black or Hispanic neighborhood because "everyone wants to know who you know" and he was worried about his kids being exposed to gangs. He said there was LESS prejudice in our slightly mixed community that in 'hoods. Here (his words) people are mostly interested in -- are your kids well-behaved, and do you keep up your house appearance? He said no one has shown racial prejudice since they moved in, but other areas he's lived in have.

Celtic, is all that hatred of other groups sometimes a manifestation of insecurity of self/ self-hatred also?

Have you always lived in NI, celtic?

goodness dotsie i read that paragraph and though yep i know that situation then i looked again found i written the thing lol.

i think it might be differences between classes two but they all try it if they get away with it. trouble is middle class have more power and more likelie to employ or not employ, report or not report situation within workplaces. thir misuse or just not see the racisum within the situation their dealing with.

i a big believer in education for all of us, because without that we'r kinda lost AND good anti discrimination laws