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#220048 - 04/18/14 02:41 PM Cultural Differences in Responsibility?
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Registered: 11/04/08
Posts: 601
I'm not sure if these post even belongs here, but what the heck.

Lately in the news I have been hearing about the one-year anniversary of the explosion in West, Texas that resulted in 15 deaths, about 160 injuries, and more than 150 buildings damaged or destroyed.

I know a little about the fire protection business, and the place was a disaster waiting to happen. Texas apparently has no adopted building codes or zoning laws, so the fertilizer storage facility over the years was joined by a nearby school, nursing home, and so on. In addition, Texas law does not require installed fire protection in storage facilities like this (the ammonium nitrate is commonly used in agriculture, but was also the same stuff used in the Murrah Building bombing.) The facility was also constructed of wood. Safety inspections are not required, and no one has any authority to make businesses like this reduce hazards.

Well, we all know what happened there. After a year, nothing. No new laws, no demands to protect the more than 20 other facilities in the state built like this -- nothing. The anti-regulatory climate in Texas is so entrenched that I guess these folks and their property are acceptable collateral damage. (Other states have zoning laws and fire protection demands for facilities like this.)

Contrast that to the ferry that just sank off the coast of South Korea. Tremendous apologies, public shame (I have no idea what caused the ferry to sink). I think an official has already committed suicide. The owner in West, Texas? The townspeople said he surely feels bad about what happened, but there you are.

I know these are just two incidents, but the reactions to them have been very, very different. Interesting.


Edited by Ellemm (04/18/14 02:42 PM)

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#220049 - 04/18/14 03:11 PM Re: Cultural Differences in Responsibility? [Re: Ellemm]
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The push for fewer regulations is spreading everywhere, not just in Texas. Let's face it, we live in a near oligarchy. It doesn't matter what the people want as long as the elite get what they want.
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#220051 - 04/18/14 05:16 PM Re: Cultural Differences in Responsibility? [Re: yonuh]
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Well, in the case of West, it would appear that the folks involved don't care that much, so it's perfect. No accountability. I thought we were given brains to use them. Apparently that's optional. (That's just me, of course. I'm not much of a shrug-your-shoulders kind of person).

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#220052 - 04/18/14 05:29 PM Re: Cultural Differences in Responsibility? [Re: yonuh]
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Ellemm, you make an interesting point. An excellent one.

When I heard about the updated ferry news this morning, I was startled to hear that the school's vice principal had committed suicide just as you had noted.

My first thought. of course, was "why?" Surely he couldn't be feeling responsible for the students' deaths: IMHO it couldn't possibly be considered his fault.

It's been awhile since I've had kids in public school, but as I recall, here in the US, when our kids go out on school-sponsored field trips, as this one was, we parents routinely sign a waiver of responsibility when we give permission for our kids to go on the trip.

So I chalked the S Korean principal's reaction up to
"cultural differences."

And, as for the Texas story that you related, I'd say it is the same thing: "cultural differences." My brother lives in Texas, has for roughly 30 years. I talked to him a few months ago, with regard to whether or not he thought Texas would be a good state to move to, in retirment. After all, they have little snow or ice, and they have no state income tax, and social security income is not taxed.

But he said he would not recommend moving here, apparently due to his opinions on state politics. I got the idea he believes Texas politicians still act as if Texas is a part of the wild west of the 19th century. Kind of "caveat emptor" to the max...

Thanks for the interesting comparison of POV with regard to responsibility, Ellemm.
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#220061 - 04/21/14 12:13 PM Re: Cultural Differences in Responsibility? [Re: Anne Holmes]
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Cultural differences are strong in a persons mindset.."Face" in particular when what matters is what others think..strong in Asia and may be inbred and within a group very important.
Head teachers are a often a figurehead and removed from daily interaction with pupils but will be the first port of contact to parents and may absorb grief first hand.

It is a terrible tragedy and a whole year set wiped out will impact the whole school and community..

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#220062 - 04/21/14 02:37 PM Re: Cultural Differences in Responsibility? [Re: Mountain Ash]
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Oh, I forgot to mention: the major source of funds to help rebuild? The federal government, particularly FEMA and the Small Business Administration. Sometimes I think we talk out of both sides of our mouths regarding responsibility.

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#220076 - 04/25/14 12:28 AM Re: Cultural Differences in Responsibility? [Re: Anne Holmes]
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Originally Posted By: Anne Holmes
But he said he would not recommend moving here, apparently due to his opinions on state politics. I got the idea he believes Texas politicians still act as if Texas is a part of the wild west of the 19th century. Kind of "caveat emptor" to the max...

Thanks for the interesting comparison of POV with regard to responsibility, Ellemm.


Same here, Anne in Alberta. There is that tendency of unbound freedom across open prairies in attitude, action, etc. Rugged individualism of taken responsibility for self and for community.

What an illusion/delusion: as soon as we had a major damaging river flood that evacuated over 100,000 people last years, people were looking to the govn't for help/money, etc. We believe that our provincial economy is powerful, buoyed (but very dependent) on oil and gas industries here. Meanwhile the provincial govn't offers lots of corporate tax concessions to these industries, etc.

Very naïve. Alberta is like a boastful teenager that doesn't want to truly cut bank strings with parents (aka federal government and provincial govn't).
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