Reading thru this thread has been very very thought provoking. Two of my adult children, 28 and 31 yrs old, are very similiar to what you all describe here. Some of you have taken definitive action..which is something my x-husband, their father..has advocated for quite awhile. I am the one that always sees the WHY and WHEREFORE behind things or tries to. But I am wondering if I am not too understanding for their own good and ours..my x-hubby´s and my own.

Very interesting thoughts here because I really do see where you all had to put your foot down and make a stand.
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