Dotsie please give me alittle credit here, I would never get too graphic or come right out and say what needs to be said. I try to talk around the answers to the questions I'm asked, as honestly and "carefully" as possible. I would never want to insult asnyone with my answers. Dianne is right however about not knowing the signs and finding out one day the man you love has a SECRET!! Bet there lots of women whose husbands call in that would never believe it, "oh no! not my husband.....?" [Frown]